Discussion:
Can you name this country? (A major military power)
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R. David Steele
2004-08-07 13:14:02 UTC
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Subject: Can You Name This Country??

* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG

GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.

John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
before."

It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
He voted to kill the FA-18.
He voted to kill the B-2.
He voted to kill the F117.

In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons system since
1988, including battle armor for our troops.

With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
80%.

But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?

Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
John A. Stovall
2004-08-07 13:29:36 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:14:02 GMT, R. David Steele
<***@verizon.net/OMEGA> wrote:

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Post by R. David Steele
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
And just how many CVB do we need?
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
Better systems available.
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
fact and better systems are coming on line.
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the FA-18.
Past it's useful life.
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the B-2.
And Bush ask for it to be cut also.
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the F117.
Replaced with F-22

Don't you read "Aviation Week"?


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R. David Steele
2004-08-08 15:47:40 UTC
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|snipped
|> It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
|> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
|
|A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
|
|> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
|
|We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
|
|> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
|
|And just how many CVB do we need?
|
|> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
|
|And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
|
|> He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
|
|Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
|
|> He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
|
|F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
|
|> He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
|
|Better systems available.
|
|> He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
|>Missile System.
|
|B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
|fact and better systems are coming on line.
|
|> He voted to kill the FA-18.
|
|Past it's useful life.

Upgraded with, I think, the G version.

BTW, one might say that you are "past your useful life". But
then most of the folks here in NG land are in the late forties to
early sixties. Useful, in this culture are those in their 20s
and 30s.

|> He voted to kill the B-2.
|
|And Bush ask for it to be cut also.
|
|
|> He voted to kill the F117.
|
|Replaced with F-22
|
|Don't you read "Aviation Week"?

The F-35 JSF looks to replace the F-15, F-16, F-14, AV-8B and may
even replace the F-22. Look for the FB-22 instead.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 16:12:36 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|snipped
|> It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
|> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
|
|A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
|
|> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
|
|We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
|
|> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
|
|And just how many CVB do we need?
|
|> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
|
|And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
|
|> He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
|
|Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
|
|> He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
|
|F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
|
|> He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
|
|Better systems available.
|
|> He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
|>Missile System.
|
|B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
|fact and better systems are coming on line.
|
|> He voted to kill the FA-18.
|
|Past it's useful life.
Upgraded with, I think, the G version.
BTW, one might say that you are "past your useful life". But
then most of the folks here in NG land are in the late forties to
early sixties. Useful, in this culture are those in their 20s
and 30s.
Yet it was a 63 year old man who piloted the first privately funded
spacecraft earlier this year.

-*MORT*-
R. David Steele
2004-08-08 16:14:14 UTC
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|> |snipped
|> |> It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
|> |> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
|> |
|> |A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
|> |
|> |We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
|> |
|> |And just how many CVB do we need?
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
|> |
|> |And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
|> |
|> |Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
|> |
|> |F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
|> |
|> |Better systems available.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
|> |>Missile System.
|> |
|> |B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
|> |fact and better systems are coming on line.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the FA-18.
|> |
|> |Past it's useful life.
|>
|> Upgraded with, I think, the G version.
|>
|> BTW, one might say that you are "past your useful life". But
|> then most of the folks here in NG land are in the late forties to
|> early sixties. Useful, in this culture are those in their 20s
|> and 30s.
|>
|
|Yet it was a 63 year old man who piloted the first privately funded
|spacecraft earlier this year.
|
|-*MORT*-

I suspect that he also did not waste his time arguing within the
NGs either. The reason that they are here is that they are no
longer useful and are arguing like old men in a park....


"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 16:40:28 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|> |snipped
|> |> It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
|> |> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
|> |
|> |A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
|> |
|> |We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
|> |
|> |And just how many CVB do we need?
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
|> |
|> |And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
|> |
|> |Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
|> |
|> |F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
|> |
|> |Better systems available.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
|> |>Missile System.
|> |
|> |B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
|> |fact and better systems are coming on line.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the FA-18.
|> |
|> |Past it's useful life.
|>
|> Upgraded with, I think, the G version.
|>
|> BTW, one might say that you are "past your useful life". But
|> then most of the folks here in NG land are in the late forties to
|> early sixties. Useful, in this culture are those in their 20s
|> and 30s.
|>
|
|Yet it was a 63 year old man who piloted the first privately funded
|spacecraft earlier this year.
|
|-*MORT*-
I suspect that he also did not waste his time arguing within the
NGs either. The reason that they are here is that they are no
longer useful and are arguing like old men in a park....
I'm "here" because I have free time to spend. It is Sunday morning, I have
absolutely nowhere to be and no reason to do anything.

-*MORT*-
Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-08-08 23:39:04 UTC
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Post by Morton Davis
Post by R. David Steele
|> |snipped
|> |> It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
|> |> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
|> |
|> |A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
|> |
|> |We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
|> |
|> |And just how many CVB do we need?
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
|> |
|> |And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
|> |
|> |Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
|> |
|> |F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
|> |
|> |Better systems available.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
|> |>Missile System.
|> |
|> |B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
|> |fact and better systems are coming on line.
|> |
|> |> He voted to kill the FA-18.
|> |
|> |Past it's useful life.
|>
|> Upgraded with, I think, the G version.
|>
|> BTW, one might say that you are "past your useful life". But
|> then most of the folks here in NG land are in the late forties to
|> early sixties. Useful, in this culture are those in their 20s
|> and 30s.
|>
|
|Yet it was a 63 year old man who piloted the first privately funded
|spacecraft earlier this year.
|
|-*MORT*-
I suspect that he also did not waste his time arguing within the
NGs either. The reason that they are here is that they are no
longer useful and are arguing like old men in a park....
I'm "here" because I have free time to spend. It is Sunday morning, I have
absolutely nowhere to be and no reason to do anything.
-*MORT*-
Sounds like fun.
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"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
Frank Zember
2004-08-10 21:59:37 UTC
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:29:36 GMT, John A. Stovall
Post by John A. Stovall
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:14:02 GMT, R. David Steele
snipped
Post by R. David Steele
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
But a hell of an improvement over the M-113!
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
To supplement the best MBT in the world.
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
And just how many CVB do we need?
Nine, at least.
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
Cruise missiles?!? You know, Exocet, Styx,...
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
I guess you prefer the MIG-23.
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
Like the F-22/F-23 project he also voted against?
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
Better systems available.
LIKE?
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
fact and better systems are coming on line.
Bullshit. B-1 is the finest strategic bomber EVER and the Patriot by
far the most effective Medium-Range SAM in the world.
Morton Davis
2004-08-10 22:16:20 UTC
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Post by Frank Zember
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:29:36 GMT, John A. Stovall
Post by John A. Stovall
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:14:02 GMT, R. David Steele
snipped
Post by R. David Steele
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
A badly designed weapon which needs a replacement.
But a hell of an improvement over the M-113!
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
We need a new tank not one which can't be air lifted.
To supplement the best MBT in the world.
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
And just how many CVB do we need?
Nine, at least.
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
And who do we need them for. Define the treat they counter?
Cruise missiles?!? You know, Exocet, Styx,...
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
Obsolete aircraft design under McNamara
I guess you prefer the MIG-23.
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
F-16 old aircraft need newer system.
Like the F-22/F-23 project he also voted against?
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
Better systems available.
LIKE?
Post by John A. Stovall
Post by R. David Steele
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
B-1 has been a failure for years and the Patriot is more hype than
fact and better systems are coming on line.
Bullshit. B-1 is the finest strategic bomber EVER and the Patriot by
far the most effective Medium-Range SAM in the world.
One of the mistakes John made is that a SOME of these items are close to 12
years old. There are newer planes, however, the older planes mentioned were
hot stuff then, and still are, as no other nation has anything that is
better. Also, the concept of retrofitting seems to be lost on some people.

-*MORT*-
David Lentz
2004-08-10 22:47:48 UTC
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"Frank Zember" <***@smsi.net> wrote in message

<snip>
Post by Frank Zember
Bullshit. B-1 is the finest strategic bomber EVER and the Patriot by
far the most effective Medium-Range SAM in the world.
Non concur.

The B-1 Lancer might have been a great aircraft, but Congress never
appropriated enough money to de-bug the thing. The B-1 had potential, but
never achieved it.

The greatest strategic bomber of all time is the venerable BUFF, a.k.a.
B-52. The BUFF is fifty and still going strong.

David
Frank Zember
2004-08-11 13:20:48 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:47:48 GMT, "David Lentz"
Post by David Lentz
<snip>
Post by Frank Zember
Bullshit. B-1 is the finest strategic bomber EVER and the Patriot by
far the most effective Medium-Range SAM in the world.
Non concur.
The B-1 Lancer might have been a great aircraft, but Congress never
appropriated enough money to de-bug the thing. The B-1 had potential, but
never achieved it.
The greatest strategic bomber of all time is the venerable BUFF, a.k.a.
B-52. The BUFF is fifty and still going strong.
David
Only because of it's suitability to carry large volumes of the ALCM.
Without that, the concept of a high-altitude strategic bomber is
obsoliete.
Robert
2004-08-07 14:29:14 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
Which is why WE HAD A FUCKING SURPLUS YOUR IDIOT

We did not need those and still do not need those.
John A. Stovall
2004-08-07 14:35:29 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
Which is why WE HAD A FUCKING SURPLUS YOUR IDIOT
We did not need those and still do not need those.
And many of the Strategic weapons were slated for destruction under
SALT II and other arms agreements.

Steele is a moron.

And that's not why we had a Surplus.


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Christopher Morton
2004-08-07 15:40:30 UTC
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Ok, that eliminates France....
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Bobby Fischler
2004-08-09 02:54:10 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
Which is why WE HAD A FUCKING SURPLUS YOUR IDIOT
We did not need those and still do not need those.
We did not need to protect our borders during Clinton either as
Clinton and Teddy Kennedy (passed most of the open borders laws) let
19 Muslims hijackers in America. Six Al Qeada bombinsg and nothing
was done.

Elian was higher priority.
Morton Davis
2004-08-07 15:07:09 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
before."
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
He voted to kill the FA-18.
He voted to kill the B-2.
He voted to kill the F117.
In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons system since
1988, including battle armor for our troops.
With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Forwarded, archived and posdted on the ABCNews "WE Love Kerry" message
boards.

-*MORT*-
Jeffrey Turner
2004-08-07 15:47:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by R. David Steele
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
before."
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
He voted to kill the FA-18.
He voted to kill the B-2.
He voted to kill the F117.
In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons system since
1988, including battle armor for our troops.
With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ...
freedom,
Post by R. David Steele
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May
your
Post by R. David Steele
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our
countrymen."
Post by R. David Steele
- Samuel Adams
Forwarded, archived and posdted on the ABCNews "WE Love Kerry" message
boards.
Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
superfluous hardware?

--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant

Americans will always do the right thing
- after they have exhausted every other
possibility. --Winston Churchill

Loyalty to the country always, loyalty
to the government when it deserves it.
--Mark Twain

I was against gay marriage until I found
out I didn't have to have one.
--James Carville
Christopher Morton
2004-08-07 16:02:14 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:47:49 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
Post by Jeffrey Turner
Post by R. David Steele
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
before."
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
He voted to kill the FA-18.
He voted to kill the B-2.
He voted to kill the F117.
In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons system since
1988, including battle armor for our troops.
With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ...
freedom,
Post by R. David Steele
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May
your
Post by R. David Steele
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our
countrymen."
Post by R. David Steele
- Samuel Adams
Forwarded, archived and posdted on the ABCNews "WE Love Kerry" message
boards.
Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
superfluous hardware?
You mean like the M1 tank and the M2 fighting vehicle?

Oh, you were being sarcastic.

Nevermind....
--
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Adam Albright
2004-08-07 18:08:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher Morton
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:47:49 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
Post by Jeffrey Turner
Post by R. David Steele
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
before."
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
He voted to kill the FA-18.
He voted to kill the B-2.
He voted to kill the F117.
In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons system since
1988, including battle armor for our troops.
With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ...
freedom,
Post by R. David Steele
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May
your
Post by R. David Steele
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our
countrymen."
Post by R. David Steele
- Samuel Adams
Forwarded, archived and posdted on the ABCNews "WE Love Kerry" message
boards.
Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
superfluous hardware?
You mean like the M1 tank and the M2 fighting vehicle?
Oh, you were being sarcastic.
Nevermind....
You were being the ass you always are. One senator does not make a
majority. I'm glad Kerry isn't a rubber-stamp for the Bushie junta ans
RummyDummy's latest lets waste more money scheme. While right wing
loons like you always try to spin some of his votes as against the
military, people with BRAINS see him being one of a few trying to cut
the excess over spending the military is infamous for.

Of course retards like Morton see nothing wrong with buying $500
toilet seats or wasting $100 million a pop to test some black hole
defense shield that can't work or investing 5 billion on some
aircraft, then a decade later canceling the project. As a taxpayer I
DO care.
Dale
2004-08-07 19:03:29 UTC
Permalink
"Adam Albright" <***@ABC.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
[...]
Post by Adam Albright
You were being the ass you always are. One senator does not make a
majority. I'm glad Kerry isn't a rubber-stamp for the Bushie junta ans
RummyDummy's latest lets waste more money scheme. While right wing
loons like you always try to spin some of his votes as against the
military, people with BRAINS see him being one of a few trying to cut
the excess over spending the military is infamous for.
Of course retards like Morton see nothing wrong with buying $500
toilet seats or wasting $100 million a pop to test some black hole
defense shield that can't work or investing 5 billion on some
aircraft, then a decade later canceling the project. As a taxpayer I
DO care.
Yeah, one might accuse Dick Cheney of being anti-military when he wanted to
kill the V22 Osprey. Man, I would never put more than two people at a time
in a vehicle like that. It's designed to handle a single engine outage, but
still one rotor goes out and it's down, and down hard. Don't know if Kerry
ever voted against it.
Christopher Morton
2004-08-07 20:52:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Adam Albright
Post by Christopher Morton
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:47:49 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
Post by Jeffrey Turner
Post by R. David Steele
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
before."
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
He voted to kill the FA-18.
He voted to kill the B-2.
He voted to kill the F117.
In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons system since
1988, including battle armor for our troops.
With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ...
freedom,
Post by R. David Steele
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May
your
Post by R. David Steele
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our
countrymen."
Post by R. David Steele
- Samuel Adams
Forwarded, archived and posdted on the ABCNews "WE Love Kerry" message
boards.
Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
superfluous hardware?
You mean like the M1 tank and the M2 fighting vehicle?
Oh, you were being sarcastic.
Nevermind....
You were being the ass you always are. One senator does not make a
majority. I'm glad Kerry isn't a rubber-stamp for the Bushie junta ans
Boy, you sure changed the subject fast....
--
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Jeffrey Turner
2004-08-08 11:37:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Christopher Morton
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:47:49 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
Post by Jeffrey Turner
Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
superfluous hardware?
You mean like the M1 tank and the M2 fighting vehicle?
Oh, you were being sarcastic.
Nevermind....
If we didn't have any of that hardware, we would have had to let the
inspectors finish their work and the whole fiasco could have been
avoided. Just say No to preemptive war.

--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant

Americans will always do the right thing
- after they have exhausted every other
possibility. --Winston Churchill

Loyalty to the country always, loyalty
to the government when it deserves it.
--Mark Twain

I was against gay marriage until I found
out I didn't have to have one.
--James Carville
R. David Steele
2004-08-08 15:58:17 UTC
Permalink
|>>Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
|>>superfluous hardware?
|>
|> You mean like the M1 tank and the M2 fighting vehicle?
|>
|> Oh, you were being sarcastic.
|>
|> Nevermind....
|
|If we didn't have any of that hardware, we would have had to let the
|inspectors finish their work and the whole fiasco could have been
|avoided. Just say No to preemptive war.

You come across as clueless in respect to international affairs,
mostly parroting talking points rather than learning for
yourself. If you truly understand what is happening within
Islam, no amount of appeasement is going to work. We have Ultra
Orthodox Sunni (Wahhabbi) who are engaged in a civil war within
Islam against the moderates, the Shiite and other factions for
control. They believe that Europe is weak due to secularism and
feminism. That most western males, ie yourself, are emasculated.
To them Spain and Greece are Islamic Territories that were
wrongfully taken by Christians. And that Europe, as well as
America, are by God's will to become Islamic republics.

When do you plan to convert? BTW, homosexuals are stoned to
death under Islamic law.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Jeffrey Turner
2004-08-08 19:32:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by R. David Steele
|>>Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
|>>superfluous hardware?
|>
|> You mean like the M1 tank and the M2 fighting vehicle?
|>
|> Oh, you were being sarcastic.
|>
|> Nevermind....
|
|If we didn't have any of that hardware, we would have had to let the
|inspectors finish their work and the whole fiasco could have been
|avoided. Just say No to preemptive war.
You come across as clueless in respect to international affairs,
mostly parroting talking points rather than learning for
yourself. If you truly understand what is happening within
Islam, no amount of appeasement is going to work. We have Ultra
Orthodox Sunni (Wahhabbi) who are engaged in a civil war within
Islam against the moderates, the Shiite and other factions for
control. They believe that Europe is weak due to secularism and
feminism. That most western males, ie yourself, are emasculated.
To them Spain and Greece are Islamic Territories that were
wrongfully taken by Christians. And that Europe, as well as
America, are by God's will to become Islamic republics.
How long have you been studying this stuff in your madrassa?

--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant

Americans will always do the right thing
- after they have exhausted every other
possibility. --Winston Churchill

Loyalty to the country always, loyalty
to the government when it deserves it.
--Mark Twain

I was against gay marriage until I found
out I didn't have to have one.
--James Carville
R. David Steele
2004-08-08 21:25:59 UTC
Permalink
|> |>>Did you notice how easily we defeated the Iraqi army without all that
|> |>>superfluous hardware?
|> |>
|> |> You mean like the M1 tank and the M2 fighting vehicle?
|> |>
|> |> Oh, you were being sarcastic.
|> |>
|> |> Nevermind....
|> |
|> |If we didn't have any of that hardware, we would have had to let the
|> |inspectors finish their work and the whole fiasco could have been
|> |avoided. Just say No to preemptive war.
|>
|> You come across as clueless in respect to international affairs,
|> mostly parroting talking points rather than learning for
|> yourself. If you truly understand what is happening within
|> Islam, no amount of appeasement is going to work. We have Ultra
|> Orthodox Sunni (Wahhabbi) who are engaged in a civil war within
|> Islam against the moderates, the Shiite and other factions for
|> control. They believe that Europe is weak due to secularism and
|> feminism. That most western males, ie yourself, are emasculated.
|> To them Spain and Greece are Islamic Territories that were
|> wrongfully taken by Christians. And that Europe, as well as
|> America, are by God's will to become Islamic republics.
|
|How long have you been studying this stuff in your madrassa?
|
|--Jeff

If Georgetown and other university campuses are typical, I would
think that you would be very supportive of any Islamic cause.
And anti Jewish. Even Jewish leftists are becoming anti Jewish
these days.



"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Mr. N
2004-08-07 16:00:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by R. David Steele
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
By a Republican Congress.
--
-Mr. N
*********************************
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we,"
-George W. Bush
R. David Steele
2004-08-07 17:50:50 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:00:48 -0700, "Mr. N"
<***@hotmail.com> wrote:

|
|"R. David Steele" <***@verizon.net/OMEGA> wrote in message
|news:***@4ax.com...
|
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|
|By a Republican Congress.

Only after 1995. Much of the damage was done in 93 and 94.
And many of those democrats pushed for military cuts long before
that under Bush 41. Most wanted the money so that they could
bribe voters (pork).


"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Pat Hines
2004-08-07 20:01:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by R. David Steele
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:00:48 -0700, "Mr. N"
|
|
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|
|By a Republican Congress.
Only after 1995. Much of the damage was done in 93 and 94.
And many of those democrats pushed for military cuts long before
that under Bush 41. Most wanted the money so that they could
bribe voters (pork).
The BRAC was in existence long before Clinton/Gore took office, and is
in existence now. Many more bases are slated for elimination, now if we
can just force the fedgov to release the land back to the states in
which they lie.

Further military cuts are needed, the military needs to be about
one-tenth the size it is now.

Pat Hines
GW Chimpzilla
2004-08-07 17:57:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
Americans.
R. David Steele
2004-08-07 18:04:33 UTC
Permalink
|> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|>
|> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|>
|> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> RUSSIA? NO
|> CHINA? NO
|> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|>
|> GIVE UP?
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|>
|Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
|Americans.

Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
regulated and part of the military/police force. If there is to
be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility. A
professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
a danger to freedom. It means that the majority become dependent
on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
slaves, much like feudalism.

And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.


"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Courageous
2004-08-07 18:06:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by R. David Steele
And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.
Nothing a couple dozen neutron bombs can't handle.

C//
Adam Albright
2004-08-07 21:02:08 UTC
Permalink
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.

Ran every business he was involved with into the ground. Unable to
find oil in Texas. Still gets fat contract to do overshore drilling in
Middle East, winning out over giants like Shell and Texaco in spite of
his company having ZERO experience in overshore oil drilling. Has
daddy's Arab friends give him front money by the suitcase full.

Has daddy get him in Texas National Guard to escape draft. He can't
hack the easy duty, gets drunk constantly. Fails to show up for a
ordered physical. Gets his wings clipped. In a huff, goes AWOL. Daddy
bails him out again.

Whines he wants a political career, like daddy. Becomes a figure head
governor where the positon requires no thinking, has no
responsibility, miminal duites, mostly photo-ops.

Has past drunk driving record slate wiped clean... in two states.
Daddy again fixes it. Did I mention he's still free as bird for going
AWOL from Guard? Daddy of course.

Runs for president. Loses. Has daddy pull in favors, goons beholding
to daddy install junior as president, spitting on Constitution.

Who is this village idiot that isn't even qualifed to shovel horse
shit out of a barn?

George W. Bush
Gaza
2004-08-07 21:19:14 UTC
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Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
He'd never have made it in the real world where the majority of Americans
live

Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Foxtrot
2004-08-07 21:28:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.

They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Andy Weaks
2004-08-07 23:53:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
The problems is shit head is Clinton was against the war and Bush is a
Chicken Hawk. Simple. Chicken Hawk status is the ipitamy of hypocrisy.
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 01:42:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
The problems is shit head is Clinton was against the war and Bush is a
Chicken Hawk. Simple. Chicken Hawk status is the ipitamy of hypocrisy.
No. The problem is that Clinton is a yellow bellied coward and Kerry is a
TRAITOR.

-*MORT*-
Gaza
2004-08-08 13:54:17 UTC
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Post by Morton Davis
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he
would
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
The problems is shit head is Clinton was against the war and Bush is a
Chicken Hawk. Simple. Chicken Hawk status is the ipitamy of hypocrisy.
No. The problem is that Clinton is a yellow bellied coward and Kerry is a
TRAITOR.
-*MORT*-
So your definition of a traitor is someone who actually fights for his
country, where as Bush is your hero because he used his family's influence
to avoid having to fight, while now, he abuses his power, and starts a war
based on lies and sends others off to die.
What a fucked up value syatem you have.
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 14:11:09 UTC
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Post by Adam Albright
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read
worth
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps
trying
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he
would
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
The problems is shit head is Clinton was against the war and Bush is a
Chicken Hawk. Simple. Chicken Hawk status is the ipitamy of hypocrisy.
No. The problem is that Clinton is a yellow bellied coward and Kerry is a
TRAITOR.
-*MORT*-
So your definition of a traitor is someone who actually fights for his
country
It is my opinion of someone who consorts with the enemy during time ofd war
and is CREDITED by that enemy as making a contribution for that enemy in the
defeat of his country in that war.

"A Ho Chi Minh City museum that honors Vietnam war protesters features a
photograph of Sen. John Kerry being greeted by the general secretary of the
Communist Party, Comrade Do Muoi."

"The Vietnamese communists clearly feel that the American anti-war
protesters were a very important force in undermining support in the United
States for American war efforts, a force that contributed materially to
ultimate communist victory in 1975"

NVA leader General Giap wrote a book after the Nam war. He noted (most
American historians have come to agree with this point) that the TET
offensive was a military disaster for the North. However, the US Press,
along with people including KERRY, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
of the US. When the NVA saw the US reports and later the whinings speeches
of Kerry and his allies, this continued to strengthen their resolve and
realize that if they kept plodding along the US press and the Kerry groups
would convince the American public that the US was in a lost cause.

-*MORT*-
SaPeIsMa
2004-08-08 16:59:35 UTC
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Post by Adam Albright
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read
worth
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps
trying
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he
would
Post by Andy Weaks
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
The problems is shit head is Clinton was against the war and Bush is a
Chicken Hawk. Simple. Chicken Hawk status is the ipitamy of hypocrisy.
No. The problem is that Clinton is a yellow bellied coward and Kerry is a
TRAITOR.
-*MORT*-
So your definition of a traitor is someone who actually fights for his
country, where as Bush is your hero because he used his family's influence
to avoid having to fight, while now, he abuses his power, and starts a war
based on lies and sends others off to die.
What a fucked up value syatem you have.
LOL..
Wasn't it the Liberal/Lefties who questionned wether VietNam was
"fighting for you country" and had a nasty habit on spitting on the vets
coming back from there ?
Look how the song has changed when it's about one of their own.
The question is how could you even consider a self-admitted war criminal
as your presidential candidate.
The ONLY way you can do that is by having a double-standard.
One that you apply to others but not to yourselves.
Mr. Obvious
2004-08-08 05:35:14 UTC
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Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85 IQ, as was
done in 2000. Debates are two candidates squaring off, no-holds-barred
damned uncomfortable lines of questioning with a mediator to keep them from
each others' throats. There hasn't been a real debate for many many years.
Ergo, there are no 'winners' or 'losers', just whomever looks best in front
of the camera is declared the winner. Most pundits called the 2000
'debates' a draw. A boring, mind-numbing draw.
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 12:56:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85 IQ, as was
done in 2000.
So, the demorats had them dumbed down for Gore, eh?

-*MORT*-
Mr. Obvious
2004-08-09 01:40:54 UTC
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Post by Morton Davis
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he
would
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85 IQ, as
was
Post by Mr. Obvious
done in 2000.
So, the demorats had them dumbed down for Gore, eh?
-*MORT*-
My goodness, I'M a genius when compared to Dubyah.....
Morton Davis
2004-08-09 01:50:44 UTC
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Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he
would
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85 IQ, as
was
Post by Mr. Obvious
done in 2000.
So, the demorats had them dumbed down for Gore, eh?
-*MORT*-
My goodness, I'M a genius when compared to Dubyah.....
Y'know, that's what Anne Richards said in 1994 and you've lost every
election to him since. How does it feel to know you've been beaten three
elections in a row, by the man you say is so "dumb"?

-*MORT*-
Frank Zember
2004-08-10 21:42:33 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 05:35:14 GMT, "Mr. Obvious"
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85 IQ, as was
done in 2000. Debates are two candidates squaring off, no-holds-barred
damned uncomfortable lines of questioning with a mediator to keep them from
each others' throats. There hasn't been a real debate for many many years.
Ergo, there are no 'winners' or 'losers', just whomever looks best in front
of the camera is declared the winner. Most pundits called the 2000
'debates' a draw. A boring, mind-numbing draw.
Then how about addressing how Gore flunked out of both Law and
Divinity schools?
Sid9
2004-08-10 21:50:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Zember
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 05:35:14 GMT, "Mr. Obvious"
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read
worth a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father
keeps trying to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes.
Admits he was just a party animal during his college days. Proud
of his "C Average" and degrees, bought and paid for by daddy.
Admits to having a serious drinking problem. Says don't ask about
about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial
family, he would be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85 IQ,
as was done in 2000. Debates are two candidates squaring off,
no-holds-barred damned uncomfortable lines of questioning with a
mediator to keep them from each others' throats. There hasn't been a
real debate for many many years. Ergo, there are no 'winners' or
'losers', just whomever looks best in front of the camera is
declared the winner. Most pundits called the 2000 'debates' a draw.
A boring, mind-numbing draw.
Then how about addressing how Gore flunked out of both Law and
Divinity schools?
Gore isn't running for anything.

Dimwit Bush,Jr coward, liar and loser wants
to keep getting America deeper and deeper
into the hole he's created
Frank Zember
2004-08-11 13:29:57 UTC
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Post by Sid9
Post by Frank Zember
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 05:35:14 GMT, "Mr. Obvious"
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read
worth a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father
keeps trying to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes.
Admits he was just a party animal during his college days. Proud
of his "C Average" and degrees, bought and paid for by daddy.
Admits to having a serious drinking problem. Says don't ask about
about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial
family, he would be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85 IQ,
as was done in 2000. Debates are two candidates squaring off,
no-holds-barred damned uncomfortable lines of questioning with a
mediator to keep them from each others' throats. There hasn't been a
real debate for many many years. Ergo, there are no 'winners' or
'losers', just whomever looks best in front of the camera is
declared the winner. Most pundits called the 2000 'debates' a draw.
A boring, mind-numbing draw.
Then how about addressing how Gore flunked out of both Law and
Divinity schools?
Gore isn't running for anything.
Dimwit Bush,Jr coward, liar and loser wants
to keep getting America deeper and deeper
into the hole he's created
...but he was your candidate last election. I can see now, from
forged citations to false claims about mission specifics, that this
election's cadidate from the left is, if anything, even less credible
than the A.L.G.O.R.E. construct.
Sid9, Liberal
2004-08-11 14:12:40 UTC
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Post by Frank Zember
Post by Sid9
Post by Frank Zember
On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 05:35:14 GMT, "Mr. Obvious"
Post by Mr. Obvious
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read
worth a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father
keeps trying to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes.
Admits he was just a party animal during his college days. Proud
of his "C Average" and degrees, bought and paid for by daddy.
Admits to having a serious drinking problem. Says don't ask
about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial
family, he would be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families. They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Debates are not softball questions lobbed in to accomodate an 85
IQ, as was done in 2000. Debates are two candidates squaring off,
no-holds-barred damned uncomfortable lines of questioning with a
mediator to keep them from each others' throats. There hasn't been
a real debate for many many years. Ergo, there are no 'winners' or
'losers', just whomever looks best in front of the camera is
declared the winner. Most pundits called the 2000 'debates' a draw.
A boring, mind-numbing draw.
Then how about addressing how Gore flunked out of both Law and
Divinity schools?
Gore isn't running for anything.
Dimwit Bush,Jr coward, liar and loser wants
to keep getting America deeper and deeper
into the hole he's created
...but he was your candidate last election. I can see now, from
forged citations to false claims about mission specifics, that this
election's cadidate from the left is, if anything, even less credible
than the A.L.G.O.R.E. construct.
Still desperate to change the subject
away from Bush,Jr, coward, loser and liar.

Author Cal Trillen calls the "Sissyhawks...
Calling them chickenhawks is being disrespctful to chickenhawks
Wexford
2004-08-08 05:47:47 UTC
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Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Dems attack Bush for coming from a powerful family,
No, they don't. They don't like Bush because his life has been an
epic of failure and bailout. A hyocrite, he maquerades as a military
man when his own military career was engineered by his father to keep
him out of Vietnam, and even that was a miserable failure. Although he
lacked ambition or any demostrated ability, his daddy and his daddy's
friends bought and paid for everything he's ever done. Yet he's a
conservative who firmly believes that people should take
responsibility for their own lives -- a man who never took
responsibility for his.
Post by Foxtrot
but don't mind that Dems like the Kennedys and Al
Gore also came from powerful families.
The Kennedys, despite their wealth, have a long tradition of personal
accomplishment and national service. Old Joe graduated at the top of
his Harvard class, and before he was 30 had become a bank president
and one of the most powerful men in Boston. Before he was 50, he was
one of the most powerful men in America. His oldest son, Joe, died
flying an extremely dangerous combat mission. Jack served in the
South Pacific where his PT Boat was rammed by a Japanese destroyer.
Bobby was an accomplished lawyer who, as Attorney General, had the
guts to take on Jimmy Hoffa and win. Even Ted graduated from law
school (after serving two full years in the army) and became one of
the most effective senators ever to serve. There isn't a person in the
Bush family, with the possible exception of GHW Bush who could measure
up to them, but then he was a singularly ineffective president and his
ties to the Saudis diminish his stature.

Gore, at least, served honorably in Vietnam and in the Congress and
Senate.
Post by Foxtrot
They attack
Bush for not going to Vietnam, but have no problem
with how Clinton dodged the draft.
Clinton's draft number was high. He didn't have a rich daddy who could
do him favors. Whatever you say about Clinton, you can't deny he's a
self-made man, a poor boy who, because of his guts and brains, was
elected twice to the presidency, the second time by a wide margin.
Although he was hounded incenssantly by Republicans during his
administration, he was still one of the most popular presidents ever
elected. His legacy was peace and prosperty, a national surplus, a
strong and vibrant military, full employment, and the best stock
market in the history of the United States. He also managed to stop
the slaughter in the Balkans with almost no loss of American lives.
Post by Foxtrot
They're so consumed with hatred for Bush that they
don't see how laughably hypocritical they are.
What's laughable is a rightard accusing the Liberals of being
hypocritical. Christ, the VP's daughter is virtually a professional
Lesbian, and this administration says it doesn't like gays. Bush calls
himself a conservative, but runs up the worst deficits in US history,
expands government, bends the first amendment, and interfers with the
rights of states and cities to control their own schools.
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Gaza
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Al Grrrr must be brain dead to lose those debates in
2000 to him, eh?
Lose what debates to him? Only in the imagination of a lobotomized
rightard.


Wexford
Eris
2004-08-07 21:33:45 UTC
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Post by Gaza
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Where is Neil now? I think I will do a google search.
Post by Gaza
He'd never have made it in the real world where the majority of Americans
live
Bush is a moronic fuckwit.
Foxtrot
2004-08-07 21:39:25 UTC
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Post by Eris
Post by Gaza
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Where is Neil now? I think I will do a google search.
Where is BJ's brother Roger, Anus? You know, the one
who was convicted of cocaine trafficking.
Eris
2004-08-07 21:44:24 UTC
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Post by Foxtrot
Post by Eris
Post by Gaza
If the chimp had not been born into a powerful, influencial family, he would
be nothing more than trailer-park trash.
Where is Neil now? I think I will do a google search.
Where is BJ's brother Roger, Anus? You know, the one
who was convicted of cocaine trafficking.
That would be Mr. Anus to you!
Not making 1.3 meg a year doing nothing.
Foxtrot
2004-08-07 22:27:04 UTC
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Post by Eris
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Eris
Where is Neil now? I think I will do a google search.
Where is BJ's brother Roger, Anus? You know, the one
who was convicted of cocaine trafficking.
That would be Mr. Anus to you!
Not making 1.3 meg a year doing nothing.
Nobody cares what you claim to make.

Why does having a screw-up for a brother disqualify
Bush but not Clinton?
Eris
2004-08-07 23:08:42 UTC
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Post by Foxtrot
Post by Eris
Post by Foxtrot
Post by Eris
Where is Neil now? I think I will do a google search.
Where is BJ's brother Roger, Anus? You know, the one
who was convicted of cocaine trafficking.
That would be Mr. Anus to you!
Not making 1.3 meg a year doing nothing.
Nobody cares what you claim to make.
Why does having a screw-up for a brother disqualify
Bush but not Clinton?
I don't make that. Neil gets that from the Saudi's or the Taiwanese
for answering the phone when the CEO call's for a consultation.
Clinton's half brother?

You are corrected no one's brothers actually count but this is the
Marquis Queensbury newsgroup is it?
Chickenshit Chimp Boy
2004-08-07 21:54:19 UTC
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Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
Ran every business he was involved with into the ground. Unable to
find oil in Texas. Still gets fat contract to do overshore drilling in
Middle East, winning out over giants like Shell and Texaco in spite of
his company having ZERO experience in overshore oil drilling. Has
daddy's Arab friends give him front money by the suitcase full.
Has daddy get him in Texas National Guard to escape draft. He can't
hack the easy duty, gets drunk constantly. Fails to show up for a
ordered physical. Gets his wings clipped. In a huff, goes AWOL. Daddy
bails him out again.
Whines he wants a political career, like daddy. Becomes a figure head
governor where the positon requires no thinking, has no
responsibility, miminal duites, mostly photo-ops.
Has past drunk driving record slate wiped clean... in two states.
Daddy again fixes it. Did I mention he's still free as bird for going
AWOL from Guard? Daddy of course.
Runs for president. Loses. Has daddy pull in favors, goons beholding
to daddy install junior as president, spitting on Constitution.
Who is this village idiot that isn't even qualifed to shovel horse
shit out of a barn?
George W. Bush
It's no wonder Repugs love him.
--
Impeachment was created for people like G.W Bush
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

"The big elephant sitting in the corner is that George W. Bush is
simply unqualified for the job... What's his accomplishment? That he's no
longer an obnoxious drunk?"

"George W. Bush and his allies don't trust you and me. Why on earth,
then,
should we trust them?"

-Ronald Reagan Jr.
Pat Hines
2004-08-07 22:11:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chickenshit Chimp Boy
Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
Ran every business he was involved with into the ground. Unable to
find oil in Texas. Still gets fat contract to do overshore drilling in
Middle East, winning out over giants like Shell and Texaco in spite of
his company having ZERO experience in overshore oil drilling. Has
daddy's Arab friends give him front money by the suitcase full.
Has daddy get him in Texas National Guard to escape draft. He can't
hack the easy duty, gets drunk constantly. Fails to show up for a
ordered physical. Gets his wings clipped. In a huff, goes AWOL. Daddy
bails him out again.
Whines he wants a political career, like daddy. Becomes a figure head
governor where the positon requires no thinking, has no
responsibility, miminal duites, mostly photo-ops.
Has past drunk driving record slate wiped clean... in two states.
Daddy again fixes it. Did I mention he's still free as bird for going
AWOL from Guard? Daddy of course.
Runs for president. Loses. Has daddy pull in favors, goons beholding
to daddy install junior as president, spitting on Constitution.
Who is this village idiot that isn't even qualifed to shovel horse
shit out of a barn?
George W. Bush
It's no wonder Repugs love him.
DemoRats must love him too, they've yet to mount meaningful
opposition to a single, significant piece of legislation or
invasion he's asked for.
Joe Myers
2004-08-08 00:47:24 UTC
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Post by Adam Albright
Born with silver spoon in his mouth. Mother claims he can't read worth
a damn, has low attention span, easily distracted. Father keeps trying
to shove him along and bail him out of scrapes. Admits he was just a
party animal during his college days. Proud of his "C Average" and
degrees, bought and paid for by daddy. Admits to having a serious
drinking problem. Says don't ask about about drugs, he ain't talking.
Ran every business he was involved with into the ground. Unable to
find oil in Texas. Still gets fat contract to do overshore drilling in
Middle East, winning out over giants like Shell and Texaco in spite of
his company having ZERO experience in overshore oil drilling. Has
daddy's Arab friends give him front money by the suitcase full.
Has daddy get him in Texas National Guard to escape draft. He can't
hack the easy duty, gets drunk constantly. Fails to show up for a
ordered physical. Gets his wings clipped. In a huff, goes AWOL. Daddy
bails him out again.
Whines he wants a political career, like daddy. Becomes a figure head
governor where the positon requires no thinking, has no
responsibility, miminal duites, mostly photo-ops.
Has past drunk driving record slate wiped clean... in two states.
Daddy again fixes it. Did I mention he's still free as bird for going
AWOL from Guard? Daddy of course.
Runs for president. Loses. Has daddy pull in favors, goons beholding
to daddy install junior as president, spitting on Constitution.
Who is this village idiot that isn't even qualifed to shovel horse
shit out of a barn?
I am deeply offended by your characterization.

George WMD Bush is *highly* qualified to shovel shit.

And, once he's out of office, I want to read Shrub's (ghost-written,
obviously) autobiography.

Everyone who knows them says the current pResident is his mother's son. Ol'
Bar is a sniveling, snotty, bitchy country club dame who only looks her age
because "the chlorine in the pool turned my hair green." If you've ever
been to a Republican Party gathering, you can see these Grand Ol' Pussies
who married for money, did their duty by spawning out progeny, and spent the
rest of their lives sipping bourbon and criticizing the "little people."

George WMD Bush has serious father issues. "He's not the sort of father one
looks to for strength," said Shrub when asked if he sought his father's
advice about invading Iraq. Shrub thinks the old man is a wimp and is
driven to be a much more macho president than his father.

Thing is, George WMD Bush has no people skills unless he's paying for the
drinks and drugs. He aches to be a good ol' boy, but no one of any
consequence is gonna hang with him unless he's picking up the tab. Where
are his National Guard buddies? Who is his friend? Isn't there someone,
somewhere, anywhere in his life who he can relate to, one-to-one? Hell,
even Nixon had Bebe Robozo.

Shrub is desperately craving acceptance from his father who knows better.
Shrub doesn't have a friend from his first 40 years because, as with most
drunks, he fucked 'em over. Even his Midland, Texas Monday Night Bible Club
gives us no one who will stand up and say, "This is my best friend."

The election, ultimately, will be settled on the issue of character. Poor
ol' Shrub's got nothing to offer.
GW Chimpzilla
2004-08-07 18:49:34 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|>
|> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|>
|> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> RUSSIA? NO
|> CHINA? NO
|> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|>
|> GIVE UP?
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|>
|Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard
|working Americans.
Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
regulated and part of the military/police force.
A 'well-regulated' man is not free. Re-read the second ammentment and take it as
face value. The constitution did NOT specify the method in which the military
was to be created.

Another thing to think about:

How large a military would we need if there were no American soldiers on foreign
soil?

Is the purpose of the military to defend our territory or is it to defend
foreign trade rights?
Post by R. David Steele
If there is to
be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility. A
professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
a danger to freedom. It means that the majority become dependent
on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
slaves, much like feudalism.
And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
R. David Steele
2004-08-07 19:19:11 UTC
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|> |> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|> |>
|> |> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> |> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> |> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> |> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> |> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> |> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> |> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> |> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> |> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> |> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> |> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|> |>
|> |> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> |> RUSSIA? NO
|> |> CHINA? NO
|> |> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> |> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> |> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|> |>
|> |> GIVE UP?
|> |> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> |> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|> |>
|> |Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard
|> |working Americans.
|>
|> Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
|> regulated and part of the military/police force.
|
|A 'well-regulated' man is not free. Re-read the second ammentment and take it as
|face value. The constitution did NOT specify the method in which the military
|was to be created.
|
|Another thing to think about:
|
|How large a military would we need if there were no American soldiers on foreign
|soil?
|
|Is the purpose of the military to defend our territory or is it to defend
|foreign trade rights?

Unless you get rid of aircraft, satellites and computers, you
will have to deal with the outside world. What would be in our
interest would be to conquer most of the Americas and merge them
into our nation.

As for the militia, it seems it was used for police, fire as well
military duties. We need to have something like the Swiss Guard
where all are in the military (reserves, not active). However it
would take a major restructuring of US society as most kids today
are unfit for military duty. And totally untrustworthy to have
the authority of the police.

|> If there is to
|> be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility. A
|> professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
|> a danger to freedom. It means that the majority become dependent
|> on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
|> slaves, much like feudalism.
|>
|> And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
|> have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
KF/AKA AH#49
2004-08-07 19:50:26 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|> |> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
Can you provide the nick name you had while flying an aircraft during
your "stay" in the armed services, Greg?
Pat Hines
2004-08-07 20:07:12 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|>
|> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|>
|> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> RUSSIA? NO
|> CHINA? NO
|> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|>
|> GIVE UP?
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|>
|Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
|Americans.
Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
regulated and part of the military/police force.
"Well regulated" as determined by whom?
Post by R. David Steele
If there is to
be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility.
The share to be determined by whom?
Post by R. David Steele
A professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
a danger to freedom.
Finally, I agree with a statement you've made, but there can be no
slave army in America.
Post by R. David Steele
It means that the majority become dependent
on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
slaves, much like feudalism.
Only if the USG manages to disarm Americans any further.
Post by R. David Steele
And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.
This is America, not Switzerland. Few comparisons between Switzerland
and America can be accurately made.

Pat Hines
R. David Steele
2004-08-07 20:22:50 UTC
Permalink
|> |> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|> |>
|> |> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> |> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> |> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> |> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> |> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> |> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> |> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> |> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> |> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> |> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> |> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|> |>
|> |> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> |> RUSSIA? NO
|> |> CHINA? NO
|> |> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> |> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> |> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|> |>
|> |> GIVE UP?
|> |> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> |> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|> |>
|> |Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
|> |Americans.
|>
|> Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
|> regulated and part of the military/police force.
|
| "Well regulated" as determined by whom?
|
|> If there is to
|> be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility.
|
| The share to be determined by whom?
|
|> A professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
|> a danger to freedom.
|
| Finally, I agree with a statement you've made, but there can be no
|slave army in America.

As it is going now, we will not have a standing army. Instead we
will have nothing but Professional Military Companies
(contractors). Once the military is turned over to contractors,
it is an easy step to say that there is no need of any form of
militia.

Face it, most Americans are too stupid, too overweight and most
American males are either out of control (felons, abuse drugs and
alcohol, etc) or mommies boys. Unless something reverses that,
Pat, the other side is going to make a case that the typical
citizen is too inferior and untrustworthy. Thank feminism for
this...

|> It means that the majority become dependent
|> on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
|> slaves, much like feudalism.
|
| Only if the USG manages to disarm Americans any further.
|
|> And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
|> have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.
|>
|
| This is America, not Switzerland. Few comparisons between Switzerland
|and America can be accurately made.
|

Switzerland is a sister republic. One of the first experiments
into freedom.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Pat Hines
2004-08-07 22:16:03 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|> |> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|> |>
|> |> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> |> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> |> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> |> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> |> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> |> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> |> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> |> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> |> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> |> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> |> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|> |>
|> |> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> |> RUSSIA? NO
|> |> CHINA? NO
|> |> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> |> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> |> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|> |>
|> |> GIVE UP?
|> |> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> |> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|> |>
|> |Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
|> |Americans.
|>
|> Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
|> regulated and part of the military/police force.
|
| "Well regulated" as determined by whom?
|
|> If there is to
|> be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility.
|
| The share to be determined by whom?
|
|> A professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
|> a danger to freedom.
|
| Finally, I agree with a statement you've made, but there can be no
|slave army in America.
As it is going now, we will not have a standing army. Instead we
will have nothing but Professional Military Companies
(contractors). Once the military is turned over to contractors,
it is an easy step to say that there is no need of any form of
militia.
Again, "well regulated" as determined by whom?
Post by R. David Steele
Face it, most Americans are too stupid, too overweight and most
American males are either out of control (felons, abuse drugs and
alcohol, etc) or mommies boys.
You know this how, exactly?
Post by R. David Steele
Unless something reverses that,
Pat, the other side is going to make a case that the typical
citizen is too inferior and untrustworthy. Thank feminism for
this...
Reverses what? You've never proven that what you assert is
true, much less propose methodologies for curing "it".
Post by R. David Steele
|> It means that the majority become dependent
|> on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
|> slaves, much like feudalism.
|
| Only if the USG manages to disarm Americans any further.
|
|> And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
|> have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.
|>
|
| This is America, not Switzerland. Few comparisons between Switzerland
|and America can be accurately made.
|
Switzerland is a sister republic. One of the first experiments
into freedom.
Athens was a republic as was Rome, neither had even a
passing resemblance to America.

Pat Hines
R. David Steele
2004-08-07 23:49:56 UTC
Permalink
|> |> |> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> |> |> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> |> |> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> |> |> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> |> |> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> |> |> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> |> |> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> |> |> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> |> |> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> |> |> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> |> |> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> |> |> RUSSIA? NO
|> |> |> CHINA? NO
|> |> |> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> |> |> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> |> |> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|> |> |>
|> |> |> GIVE UP?
|> |> |> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> |> |> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|> |> |>
|> |> |Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
|> |> |Americans.
|> |>
|> |> Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
|> |> regulated and part of the military/police force.
|> |
|> | "Well regulated" as determined by whom?
|> |
|> |> If there is to
|> |> be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility.
|> |
|> | The share to be determined by whom?
|> |
|> |> A professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
|> |> a danger to freedom.
|> |
|> | Finally, I agree with a statement you've made, but there can be no
|> |slave army in America.
|>
|> As it is going now, we will not have a standing army. Instead we
|> will have nothing but Professional Military Companies
|> (contractors). Once the military is turned over to contractors,
|> it is an easy step to say that there is no need of any form of
|> militia.
|
| Again, "well regulated" as determined by whom?

Well who sets standards now? I.E.those duly elected individuals
who you helped to select to represent you.

|> Face it, most Americans are too stupid, too overweight and most
|> American males are either out of control (felons, abuse drugs and
|> alcohol, etc) or mommies boys.
|
| You know this how, exactly?

DOD puts out a yearly make up of the military. It includes data
on percentages who fail the ASVAB, for example. And data on the
makeup of the military (65% white, 20% black, 10% Hispanic, and
6% other, with about 60-40 split male to female). It is on
Defense Link.

|> Unless something reverses that,
|> Pat, the other side is going to make a case that the typical
|> citizen is too inferior and untrustworthy. Thank feminism for
|> this...
|
| Reverses what? You've never proven that what you assert is
|true, much less propose methodologies for curing "it".

We are in a culture war, a civil war, mostly of words. It is for
who will have the right to set the morality, the social norms, of
our culture. Those "rules", often unwritten, that are taught at
your mothers knee (or across it). Right now feminism is the
"morality" by which most boys are raised. Thus they either rebel
against it (out of control behavior) or are mommies boys. It is
much like the last Victorian Age.

|> |> It means that the majority become dependent
|> |> on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
|> |> slaves, much like feudalism.
|> |
|> | Only if the USG manages to disarm Americans any further.
|> |
|> |> And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
|> |> have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.
|> |>
|> |
|> | This is America, not Switzerland. Few comparisons between Switzerland
|> |and America can be accurately made.
|> |
|>
|> Switzerland is a sister republic. One of the first experiments
|> into freedom.
|
| Athens was a republic as was Rome, neither had even a
|passing resemblance to America.
|

Does not keep many conservatives from comparing the US to the
downfall of Rome.....
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 01:40:07 UTC
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|> |> |> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> |> |> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> |> |> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> |> |> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> |> |> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> |> |> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> |> |> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> |> |> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> |> |> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> |> |> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> |> |> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> |> |> RUSSIA? NO
|> |> |> CHINA? NO
|> |> |> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> |> |> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> |> |> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|> |> |>
|> |> |> GIVE UP?
|> |> |> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> |> |> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|> |> |>
|> |> |Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
|> |> |Americans.
|> |>
|> |> Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
|> |> regulated and part of the military/police force.
|> |
|> | "Well regulated" as determined by whom?
|> |
|> |> If there is to
|> |> be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility.
|> |
|> | The share to be determined by whom?
|> |
|> |> A professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
|> |> a danger to freedom.
|> |
|> | Finally, I agree with a statement you've made, but there can be no
|> |slave army in America.
|>
|> As it is going now, we will not have a standing army. Instead we
|> will have nothing but Professional Military Companies
|> (contractors). Once the military is turned over to contractors,
|> it is an easy step to say that there is no need of any form of
|> militia.
|
| Again, "well regulated" as determined by whom?
Well who sets standards now? I.E.those duly elected individuals
who you helped to select to represent you.
|> Face it, most Americans are too stupid, too overweight and most
|> American males are either out of control (felons, abuse drugs and
|> alcohol, etc) or mommies boys.
|
| You know this how, exactly?
DOD puts out a yearly make up of the military. It includes data
on percentages who fail the ASVAB, for example. And data on the
makeup of the military (65% white, 20% black, 10% Hispanic, and
6% other, with about 60-40 split male to female). It is on
Defense Link.
If we had had those 709,000 Active Duty Personnel, we would have had to pull
hundreds of thousands of skilled workers out of our work force, losing their
purchasing power and the tax revenues they generate. I look at the list and
I can see where all the jobs went. I live in a military area. I see military
personnel everywhere. They're in every restaurant in my area at one time or
another, eating in groups or allone or with their families. I see them in
the grocery store. I see them in Wal-Mart and other big stores and at the
flea markets, buying things. They buy homes, cars, boats in my area. They
are first in line to give blood or to volunteer to help find missing persons
or escaped convicts. They are volunteer firemen, auxillary police, hospital
volunteers and fill many other gaps. They even help teach in our schools.

John kerry stood by and watched and helped as Clinton/Gore destroyed our
military and cost Americans millions of jobs.

-*MORT*-
Jeffrey Turner
2004-08-08 19:37:00 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|>
|> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|>
|> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> RUSSIA? NO
|> CHINA? NO
|> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|>
|> GIVE UP?
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|>
|Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
|Americans.
Our country was founded on the fact that every man was to be well
regulated and part of the military/police force. If there is to
be freedom, then this must be a shared responsibility. A
professional police force, as well as a professional military, is
a danger to freedom. It means that the majority become dependent
on a few to defend them. In time it means that majority become
slaves, much like feudalism.
And remember, Switzerland has a 15 million man army. We only
have 2.5 million, including a million in the reserves.
Switzerland would have fallen to the Nazis in days, but the Nazi spies
went along with Swiss propaganda that they'd mined the tunnels (the
Swiss couldn't/didn't afford the dynamite and only did some digging)
because the spies would rather live safely in Switzerland than go to
die on the Russian front. Shows the power of brains over brawn.

--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant

Americans will always do the right thing
- after they have exhausted every other
possibility. --Winston Churchill

Loyalty to the country always, loyalty
to the government when it deserves it.
--Mark Twain

I was against gay marriage until I found
out I didn't have to have one.
--James Carville
Pat Hines
2004-08-07 20:02:10 UTC
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Post by GW Chimpzilla
Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
Good riddance. The fat military is a millstone around the neck of hard working
Americans.
Amen to that, not to mention its current unConstitutional status.

Pat Hines
Pat Hines
2004-08-07 19:55:46 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
Obviously Clinton/Gore didn't reduce the USG military nearly enough,
they're still deploying outside US borders and fighting wars of
aggression worldwide.

Americans must reduce the military until it is afraid to deploy any where.
R. David Steele
2004-08-07 20:25:49 UTC
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|> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|>
|> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|>
|> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> RUSSIA? NO
|> CHINA? NO
|> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|>
|> GIVE UP?
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|>
|
| Obviously Clinton/Gore didn't reduce the USG military nearly enough,
|they're still deploying outside US borders and fighting wars of
|aggression worldwide.
|
| Americans must reduce the military until it is afraid to deploy any where.

Unless you can rid the world of aircraft, computers and
satellites then you have a world that is much smaller than it was
when we grew up.

We also have radical Islam, especially the Wahhabbi who are ultra
orthodox and now control a third of Islam, who are bent on making
you worship as they do. It is either convert or die...


"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Progressive with an Attitude
2004-08-08 00:53:44 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
Subject: Can You Name This Country??
* 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
* 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
* EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
*20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
* 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
* 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
* FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
IS THIS COUNTRY ?
RUSSIA? NO
CHINA? NO
GREAT BRITAIN? NO
FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
GIVE UP?
THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
before."
It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
Missile System.
He voted to kill the FA-18.
He voted to kill the B-2.
He voted to kill the F117.
In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
the development and deployment of every weapons system since
1988, including battle armor for our troops.
With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
80%.
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.

Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to show
for it.
DeepSea
2004-08-08 01:24:24 UTC
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Post by Progressive with an Attitude
I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to
show for it.
While I think I understand (and agree with) your economic premise, I don't
think that one can discount the fact that we are still here!, with our
standard of living largely unchanged if not improved.
Jeffrey Turner
2004-08-08 19:45:38 UTC
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Post by DeepSea
Post by Progressive with an Attitude
I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to
show for it.
While I think I understand (and agree with) your economic premise, I don't
think that one can discount the fact that we are still here!, with our
standard of living largely unchanged if not improved.
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.

--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant

Americans will always do the right thing
- after they have exhausted every other
possibility. --Winston Churchill

Loyalty to the country always, loyalty
to the government when it deserves it.
--Mark Twain

I was against gay marriage until I found
out I didn't have to have one.
--James Carville
Courageous
2004-08-08 20:37:57 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey Turner
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
In the U.S., he buying power of the median income has improved
year-to-year, practically every year without fail, for all
recorded years at the census. Source http://www.census.gov

C//
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 21:07:20 UTC
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Post by Courageous
Post by Jeffrey Turner
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
In the U.S., he buying power of the median income has improved
year-to-year, practically every year without fail, for all
recorded years at the census. Source http://www.census.gov
Joe Stalin had a great propaganda idea. He would use the 1930s black and
white film "The Grapes of Wrath" to show the Russian people the failure of
Capitalism in America. However, it bummed the Russians out to see that even
the poorest of Americans had cars and could go anywhere in them they wanted.
End of experiment.

Today, the so-called "Poor Americans have plenty to eat, homes, cars, color
televisions and computers. The previous poster does not know what he/she is
talking about.

It is a good idea not to clip who you are resonding to, so we can keep
score.

-*MORT*-
Courageous
2004-08-08 21:14:23 UTC
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Post by Courageous
In the U.S., he buying power of the median income has improved
year-to-year, practically every year without fail, for all
recorded years at the census. Source http://www.census.gov
Today, the so-called "Poor Americans" have plenty to eat, homes, cars, color
televisions and computers. The previous poster does not know what he/she is
talking about.
This is especially true if you hit the -1 century button in the
sky, and look at the U.S. circa 1900.

Another fact. Today in the U.S., homeownership has been on an
ever-creeping-upwards path, with the first four years of this
millenium demonstrating _absolute_ historical highs.

Someone should compare this to EU rates and see where they sit.
It is a good idea not to clip who you are resonding to, ...
I'm an equally opportunity clipper.

I believe it's a cardinal sin to credit the wrong person with
the wrong message (which has been known to happen when trimming).

C//
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 23:17:09 UTC
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Post by Courageous
Post by Courageous
In the U.S., he buying power of the median income has improved
year-to-year, practically every year without fail, for all
recorded years at the census. Source http://www.census.gov
Today, the so-called "Poor Americans" have plenty to eat, homes, cars, color
televisions and computers. The previous poster does not know what he/she is
talking about.
This is especially true if you hit the -1 century button in the
sky, and look at the U.S. circa 1900.
Another fact. Today in the U.S., homeownership has been on an
ever-creeping-upwards path, with the first four years of this
millenium demonstrating _absolute_ historical highs.
Someone should compare this to EU rates and see where they sit.
It is a good idea not to clip who you are resonding to, ...
I'm an equally opportunity clipper.
I believe it's a cardinal sin to credit the wrong person with
the wrong message (which has been known to happen when trimming).
Not if you follow the attributions.

-*MORT*-
mikeg
2004-08-08 23:09:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Courageous
Post by Jeffrey Turner
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
In the U.S., he buying power of the median income has improved
year-to-year, practically every year without fail, for all
recorded years at the census. Source http://www.census.gov
Joe Stalin had a great propaganda idea. He would use the 1930s black
and white film "The Grapes of Wrath" to show the Russian people the
failure of Capitalism in America. However, it bummed the Russians out
to see that even the poorest of Americans had cars and could go
anywhere in them they wanted. End of experiment.
What you leave out is that in the Great Depression these same poor people
with automobiles were frequently forced to choose between buying milk for
their babies and gasoline for their cars. All this so they could drive to
the next state in the hopes of finding work and maybe a chance to eat again
tomorrow.
Post by Morton Davis
Today, the so-called "Poor Americans have plenty to eat, homes, cars,
color televisions and computers. The previous poster does not know
what he/she is talking about.
Poverty is a social problem, not a technological one. It doesn't cure
itself simply on the basis of the mass proliferation of cellular phones or
digital watches. Far in the future, the poor may own things that are
inconceivable to us like spaceships or death-ray machines, but they will
still be poor.
John A. Stovall
2004-08-08 23:27:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by mikeg
Post by Morton Davis
Post by Courageous
Post by Jeffrey Turner
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
In the U.S., he buying power of the median income has improved
year-to-year, practically every year without fail, for all
recorded years at the census. Source http://www.census.gov
Joe Stalin had a great propaganda idea. He would use the 1930s black
and white film "The Grapes of Wrath" to show the Russian people the
failure of Capitalism in America. However, it bummed the Russians out
to see that even the poorest of Americans had cars and could go
anywhere in them they wanted. End of experiment.
What you leave out is that in the Great Depression these same poor people
with automobiles were frequently forced to choose between buying milk for
their babies and gasoline for their cars. All this so they could drive to
the next state in the hopes of finding work and maybe a chance to eat again
tomorrow.
Post by Morton Davis
Today, the so-called "Poor Americans have plenty to eat, homes, cars,
color televisions and computers. The previous poster does not know
what he/she is talking about.
Poverty is a social problem, not a technological one. It doesn't cure
itself simply on the basis of the mass proliferation of cellular phones or
digital watches. Far in the future, the poor may own things that are
inconceivable to us like spaceships or death-ray machines, but they will
still be poor.
Because that's what they want to be.


************************************************************

"'Simplify, simplify.'....I wanted to simplify. No wants,
no needs, no hungers. Only rifles....I was at my best with
a rifle in my hand. I always loved rifles. So I decided to
live in such a way that the rifle would be all I needed.
And I succeeded."

Bob the Nailer
_Point of Impact_
by
Stephen Hunter
Courageous
2004-08-08 23:32:07 UTC
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Post by mikeg
Poverty is a social problem, not a technological one. It doesn't cure
itself simply on the basis of the mass proliferation of cellular phones or
digital watches. Far in the future, the poor may own things that are
inconceivable to us like spaceships or death-ray machines, but they will
still be poor.
There are varying measures of poorness.

Today, a hefty slice of America is time-poor. They do not
command their own time. Circumstances of their life command
their time; for example, impelling them to labor.

If there comes a day where no one is time-poor, poverty
will have been defeated, and there will be non discontents
complaining about "wage slavery".

C//
R. David Steele
2004-08-08 21:34:13 UTC
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|>
|>>I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
|>>Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
|>>shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
|>>nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
|>>
|>>Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
|>>both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to
|>>show for it.
|>
|> While I think I understand (and agree with) your economic premise, I don't
|> think that one can discount the fact that we are still here!, with our
|> standard of living largely unchanged if not improved.
|
|According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
|poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
|
|--Jeff

Depends how you define "poverty". Here in the US, it is an
income for a family of less than $25,000 (rich is a family
income of over $70,000). When you look at Iraq, for example,
typical incomes are about $100 per month. In north Africa, it is
about $180 a year.

During Desert Storm, we hired third country nationals (TCN) at
the following rates. Filipinos were paid $400 per month, those
from Sri Lanka were paid $250 per month. those from India
received $50 per month.

Poverty is a moving target. And the best way to lower poverty in
the US is to reduced family size for the poor. Abortion is too
little, too late. Tubal Ligation (sterilization) for poor women
with two or more children, is far more affordable.




"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-08-08 23:35:04 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|>
|>>I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
|>>Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
|>>shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
|>>nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
|>>
|>>Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
|>>both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to
|>>show for it.
|>
|> While I think I understand (and agree with) your economic premise, I don't
|> think that one can discount the fact that we are still here!, with our
|> standard of living largely unchanged if not improved.
|
|According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
|poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
|
|--Jeff
Depends how you define "poverty". Here in the US, it is an
income for a family of less than $25,000 (rich is a family
income of over $70,000). When you look at Iraq, for example,
typical incomes are about $100 per month. In north Africa, it is
about $180 a year.
During Desert Storm, we hired third country nationals (TCN) at
the following rates. Filipinos were paid $400 per month, those
from Sri Lanka were paid $250 per month. those from India
received $50 per month.
Poverty is a moving target. And the best way to lower poverty in
the US is to reduced family size for the poor. Abortion is too
little, too late. Tubal Ligation (sterilization) for poor women
with two or more children, is far more affordable.
It's amazing how the poor in America can afford color tv's, drugs and cars.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"

"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
SaPeIsMa
2004-08-09 02:05:12 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey Turner
Post by DeepSea
Post by Progressive with an Attitude
I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to
show for it.
While I think I understand (and agree with) your economic premise, I don't
think that one can discount the fact that we are still here!, with our
standard of living largely unchanged if not improved.
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
And even more interesting, the US is the only country where the poor people
suffer from obesity.
BTMO
2004-08-09 02:11:08 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Jeffrey Turner
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
And even more interesting, the US is the only country where the poor people
suffer from obesity.
Oh no it isn't...

You should stand outside McD's here in NZ on benefit day...

Or Australia...

Cheers,

Brenton
Mitchell Holman
2004-08-09 02:57:52 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Jeffrey Turner
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
And even more interesting, the US is the only country where the poor
people
Post by SaPeIsMa
suffer from obesity.
Oh no it isn't...
You should stand outside McD's here in NZ on benefit day...
I would rather stand outside a McD's in NZ
than most anywhere on earth. Count yourself lucky.
BTMO
2004-08-09 02:59:37 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by BTMO
You should stand outside McD's here in NZ on benefit day...
I would rather stand outside a McD's in NZ
than most anywhere on earth. Count yourself lucky.
Makes more sense than going through the door...

;-)
pyotr filipivich
2004-08-09 04:55:05 UTC
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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what "SaPeIsMa"
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Jeffrey Turner
According to the CIA World Factbook, one in eight Americans lives in
poverty. Oh yeah, what a marvelous standard of living.
And even more interesting, the US is the only country where the poor people
suffer from obesity.
D'souza, writes of a friend of his, still in India, saying why his
friend wants to immigrate to the US: "I want to live where even the poor
are fat."

What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
==
pyotr filipivich
This is a .22 caliber derringer, one of the smallest, lightest handguns
ever made. It's over a hundred years old and might not even penetrate your
skull if I miss your eye socket. So you have to ask yourself just one
question: "Do I feel lucky?" - Ancient Kung Foole Proverb by Lady Foole
Chris Morton
2004-08-09 18:03:46 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, pyotr filipivich
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.

When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of Chicago or
the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle class
compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the farmers, they were
wealthy.
--
--
Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women should have to fistfight with 210lb.
rapists.
pyotr filipivich
2004-08-09 22:39:41 UTC
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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Chris Morton
Post by Chris Morton
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.
When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of Chicago
or the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle
class compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the farmers,
they were wealthy.
I was in Argentina in '78. Our host was very proud of his AM/FM
Cassette radio. Asked me what it was worth. Now, I'd bought one like it a
couple years before, so I rounded up for inflation and all, said a hundred
dollars. The equivalent of $250 dollars for a basic Radio/Cassette player.
In a country where a steak dinner w/ all the trimmings was $2 - $2.50 tops.
And you should have seen the eyes bug out of the Bulgarians teasing us
"rich Americans" when they learned that John was a Plumber and son of a
steel worker, and I, a mere auto mechanic. Working class people, and here
we could afford to travel to Bulgaria.

Friend of mine was stationed in Germany in the late sixties. Had to go
to Italy, meet the family in the "old country". One family was real happy
and proud - they had just recently gotten water piped into the house. No
more going to the fountain. Of course, it was just one spigot, and it was
cold water (well, cold in the winter, warm in the summer), but it was
running water, in the house. "Can you believe it?" right up town with the
rich folk.

Yeah, what the US considers "basic necessities" the rest of the world
considers luxuries.


tschus
pyotr
Post by Chris Morton
--
==
pyotr filipivich
This is a .22 caliber derringer, one of the smallest, lightest handguns
ever made. It's over a hundred years old and might not even penetrate your
skull if I miss your eye socket. So you have to ask yourself just one
question: "Do I feel lucky?" - Ancient Kung Foole Proverb by Lady Foole
Morton Davis
2004-08-09 22:58:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by pyotr filipivich
It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Chris Morton
Post by Chris Morton
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.
When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of Chicago
or the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle
class compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the farmers,
they were wealthy.
I was in Argentina in '78. Our host was very proud of his AM/FM
Cassette radio. Asked me what it was worth. Now, I'd bought one like it a
couple years before, so I rounded up for inflation and all, said a hundred
dollars. The equivalent of $250 dollars for a basic Radio/Cassette player.
In a country where a steak dinner w/ all the trimmings was $2 - $2.50 tops.
And you should have seen the eyes bug out of the Bulgarians teasing us
"rich Americans" when they learned that John was a Plumber and son of a
steel worker, and I, a mere auto mechanic. Working class people, and here
we could afford to travel to Bulgaria.
Friend of mine was stationed in Germany in the late sixties. Had to go
to Italy, meet the family in the "old country". One family was real happy
and proud - they had just recently gotten water piped into the house. No
more going to the fountain. Of course, it was just one spigot, and it was
cold water (well, cold in the winter, warm in the summer), but it was
running water, in the house. "Can you believe it?" right up town with the
rich folk.
Yeah, what the US considers "basic necessities" the rest of the world
considers luxuries.
I love to watch foreign visitors the first time they see a Super Wal-Mart or
just a regular grocery store. They go apeshit.

-*MORT*-
John A. Stovall
2004-08-09 23:05:40 UTC
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Post by Chris Morton
Post by pyotr filipivich
It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Chris Morton
Post by Chris Morton
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.
When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of
Chicago
Post by pyotr filipivich
Post by Chris Morton
or the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle
class compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the
farmers,
Post by pyotr filipivich
Post by Chris Morton
they were wealthy.
I was in Argentina in '78. Our host was very proud of his AM/FM
Cassette radio. Asked me what it was worth. Now, I'd bought one like it
a
Post by pyotr filipivich
couple years before, so I rounded up for inflation and all, said a hundred
dollars. The equivalent of $250 dollars for a basic Radio/Cassette
player.
Post by pyotr filipivich
In a country where a steak dinner w/ all the trimmings was $2 - $2.50
tops.
Post by pyotr filipivich
And you should have seen the eyes bug out of the Bulgarians teasing us
"rich Americans" when they learned that John was a Plumber and son of a
steel worker, and I, a mere auto mechanic. Working class people, and here
we could afford to travel to Bulgaria.
Friend of mine was stationed in Germany in the late sixties. Had to go
to Italy, meet the family in the "old country". One family was real happy
and proud - they had just recently gotten water piped into the house. No
more going to the fountain. Of course, it was just one spigot, and it was
cold water (well, cold in the winter, warm in the summer), but it was
running water, in the house. "Can you believe it?" right up town with the
rich folk.
Yeah, what the US considers "basic necessities" the rest of the world
considers luxuries.
I love to watch foreign visitors the first time they see a Super Wal-Mart or
just a regular grocery store. They go apeshit.
Not if they are from France. The hypermarche was created there. All
Wal-Mart did was rip off the concept.

You need to get out more.
*******************************************************

"The world is a book, and those who do not travel,
read only a page."

Saint Augustine (354 - 430)
Ivor P. Standing
2004-08-10 11:16:11 UTC
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Post by Morton Davis
I love to watch foreign visitors the first time they see a Super Wal-Mart or
just a regular grocery store. They go apeshit.
-*MORT*-
Still comparing the USA to Somalia and Bangladesh eh Mort? lol. I
suppose that if one was a refugee from some third world shithole then
you would get that reaction.

You insular Americans still think that Europeans piss in outhouses and
that we shop at village corner shops. Haven't you ever heard of Tescos
or Sainsburys.
David Lentz
2004-08-10 00:13:34 UTC
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Post by Chris Morton
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.
When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of Chicago or
the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle class
compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the farmers, they were
wealthy.
I was in Korea in around Seventy Two. I noted a few things, among them his
rather strange earth moving machine, I called a three person shovel. It
was a long wooden shovel with two long piece of rope. One person help the
wooden handle and the other two pulled on the rope. Every three person
crew I saw was all female.

And our women think they have it tough.

David
Christopher Morton
2004-08-10 13:40:26 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:13:34 GMT, "David Lentz"
Post by Chris Morton
Post by Chris Morton
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.
When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of Chicago
or
Post by Chris Morton
the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle
class
Post by Chris Morton
compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the farmers,
they were
Post by Chris Morton
wealthy.
I was in Korea in around Seventy Two. I noted a few things, among them his
rather strange earth moving machine, I called a three person shovel. It
was a long wooden shovel with two long piece of rope. One person help the
wooden handle and the other two pulled on the rope. Every three person
crew I saw was all female.
And our women think they have it tough.
Did they have the little two wheeled kimchi tractors back then?

It's like the front end of a riding mower, with handlebars. They're
highly versatile.
--
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Mark Gibson
2004-08-10 12:10:12 UTC
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Post by Chris Morton
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.
When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of Chicago or
the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle class
compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the farmers, they
were wealthy.

Chris, you are one of the best shooting writers I find most plausible. I've
never seen real combat, but could proabably handle it given my attitude problem and shooting skills -- shoot at me and prepare to die if there is a miss.
You have taught me a bunch of neat things over the years. Perhaps it is a good thing that I don't expect you to shoot at me, because I would not expect you to miss. :-)

Best regards, as always,
Mark Gibson
--
"I have the power to channel
my imagination into ever-soaring levels
of suspicion and paranoia."
-- MDK
Christopher Morton
2004-08-10 13:41:31 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:10:12 +0000 (UTC), Mark Gibson
Post by Chris Morton
Post by Chris Morton
says...
Post by pyotr filipivich
What the US considers "poverty", the rest of the world considers middle
class to well off.
This is absolutely the truth.
When I was in Korea, I observed many a troop from the West Side of Chicago or
the Bronx who suddenly realized that back home he'd been upper middle class
compared to the average Korean city dweller. Compared to the farmers, they
were wealthy.
Chris, you are one of the best shooting writers I find most plausible. I've
never seen real combat, but could proabably handle it given my attitude problem and shooting skills -- shoot at me and prepare to die if there is a miss.
You have taught me a bunch of neat things over the years. Perhaps it is a good thing that I don't expect you to shoot at me, because I would not expect you to miss. :-)
I've never been in combat, although I've ALMOST been in combat a few
times, more often in civilian life than otherwise. : )

Thanks.
--
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
R. David Steele
2004-08-08 02:16:38 UTC
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|> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|>
|> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|>
|> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> RUSSIA? NO
|> CHINA? NO
|> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|>
|> GIVE UP?
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|>
|> John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
|> before."
|>
|> It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
|> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
|> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
|> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
|> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
|> He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
|> He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
|> He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
|> He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
|> Missile System.
|> He voted to kill the FA-18.
|> He voted to kill the B-2.
|> He voted to kill the F117.
|>
|> In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
|> the development and deployment of every weapons system since
|> 1988, including battle armor for our troops.
|>
|> With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
|> running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
|> all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
|> Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
|> funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
|> 80%.
|>
|> But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
|> 800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
|>
|> Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
|>
|>
|> "If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
|> go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
|> chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
|> - Samuel Adams
|
|I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
|Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
|shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
|nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
|
|Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
|both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to show
|for it.

However it is not that the military was downsized, it was that
the Clintonites feminized the US. Much of western left wing
thought these days is about the emasculation of society. It is
why radical Islam thinks that they can conquer Europe.

It will take us generations to repair the damage done by left
wing teachers, academics, lawyers, journalists and politicians
who have a goal of destroying all aspects of what made the
western culture great.



"If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams
Morton Davis
2004-08-08 02:27:51 UTC
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Post by R. David Steele
|> Subject: Can You Name This Country??
|>
|> * 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNE L
|> * 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS,
|> * EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS,
|> *20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT
|> and 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS,
|> * 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
|> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.
|> * 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.
|> * FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND
|> SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
|> LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.
|>
|> IS THIS COUNTRY ?
|> RUSSIA? NO
|> CHINA? NO
|> GREAT BRITAIN? NO
|> FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN
|> MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG
|>
|> GIVE UP?
|> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED
|> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.
|>
|> John Kerry on Defense -- "I hadn't seen this list printed
|> before."
|>
|> It would make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters.
|> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle ,
|> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.
|> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.
|> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system .
|> He voted to kill the F-15 Strike Eagle.
|> He voted to kill the Block 60 F-16.
|> He voted to kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.
|> He voted to kill the B-1 He voted to kill the Patriot Anti
|> Missile System.
|> He voted to kill the FA-18.
|> He voted to kill the B-2.
|> He voted to kill the F117.
|>
|> In short, Kerry voted to kill every military appropriation for
|> the development and deployment of every weapons system since
|> 1988, including battle armor for our troops.
|>
|> With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men
|> running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill
|> all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S.
|> Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the
|> funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by
|> 80%.
|>
|> But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by
|> 800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?
|>
|> Please pass this on, as many people may not know how bad it is.
|>
|>
|> "If ye love wealth better than liberty ... servitude better than ... freedom,
|> go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms ... May your
|> chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
|> - Samuel Adams
|
|I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
|Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
|shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
|nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
I disagree. Money spent on the military does not evaporate into the air,
rather it gets spread out to all sectors of the society. Sit down and look
at what the homeporting of one aircraft carrier can do for a local economy.
Take a look at how much food it takes to restock an aircraft carrier, much
of it bought from local businesses. Look at how many houses, cars, other big
ticket items are purchased by the several thousand military personnel who
mann the ship. Look at the retail stores, restaurants and other businesses
who benefit from purchases by the military personnel and their families.
Many other jobs are directly or indirectly tied to that one ship.
Eventually, every dollar spent on the military comes back as new tax revenue
from a myriad of sources ands THAT strengthens, rather than drains, the
economy.

-*MORT*-
SaPeIsMa
2004-08-08 04:00:52 UTC
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Post by Progressive with an Attitude
I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to show
for it.
BZZZZT
Wrong answer..
The US has a lot to show for it.
All the new technology that was developped in the US can be directly
traced back to technology that was incubated or developped because of the
cold war.
Just two quick examples that are close to users of these groups:
1) The internet, for example is DIRECTLY attributable to the cold war
2) The PC
Just think of the wealth that were directly AND indirectly created with just
these 2 things.

Maybe you should change your nym to "CLUELESS with an attitude".
Coz', you'll never be progressive with your current level of ignorance.
eelder1
2004-08-18 22:10:57 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Progressive with an Attitude
I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to show
for it.
BZZZZT
Wrong answer..
The US has a lot to show for it.
All the new technology that was developped in the US can be directly
traced back to technology that was incubated or developped because of the
cold war.
1) The internet, for example is DIRECTLY attributable to the cold war
2) The PC
Just think of the wealth that were directly AND indirectly created with just
these 2 things.
Maybe you should change your nym to "CLUELESS with an attitude".
Coz', you'll never be progressive with your current level of ignorance.
The Macinstosh was developed by tow hippies and the PC which was
developed by IBM was striclty commercial. You are confusing the
Internet with Arpanet.
SaPeIsMa
2004-08-19 04:04:31 UTC
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Post by eelder1
Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by Progressive with an Attitude
I have heard many times that Reagan won the Cold War and destroyed the
Evil Empire. Once a enemy is gone, swords are usually turned into plow
shares. Such a large standing military saps the economic vitality of a
nation. Such downsizing is necessary when a war ends.
Mikhail Gorbachev that both the US and the USSR lost the Cold War. We
both spent $10 trillion on the war and neither side has anything to show
for it.
BZZZZT
Wrong answer..
The US has a lot to show for it.
All the new technology that was developped in the US can be directly
traced back to technology that was incubated or developped because of the
cold war.
1) The internet, for example is DIRECTLY attributable to the cold war
2) The PC
Just think of the wealth that were directly AND indirectly created with just
these 2 things.
Maybe you should change your nym to "CLUELESS with an attitude".
Coz', you'll never be progressive with your current level of ignorance.
The Macinstosh was developed by tow hippies and the PC which was
developed by IBM was striclty commercial. You are confusing the
Internet with Arpanet.
SIGH>
Miniaturisation of electronics was required because the US did NOT have the
rocket payload capacity that the Soviet did.
That is why NASA funded a lot of research into smaller, lighter, more
compact electronics.
And that, bub, led to modern IC circuitry
Telemetric monitoring led DIRECTLY to modern medical technology.
The technical push to create ARPANET led to the comunication infrrstructure
that triggered the evolution of the Internet.
Look up "gopher" as just one example.
There is all kinds of OTHER technological developments that can be traced
back DIRECTLY to the space race
Modern metalurgy and graphite technology are two other areas that were
developped because of the space race and trying to get up ahead of the
Soviets.

And so, two address your two lame examples.
The Macintosh, nor the PC would NOT have been possible without the push
to develop smaller faster electronic circuits.
And by the way, those were NOT the first desktops availabel to the
marketplace.
HP was quite a few years ahead on that issue as well.
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/timeline/hist_80s.html

And before the 85, there were already a couple of scientific desktop
computers available from HP.
And they were way ahead of both the MC and the PC in the technology that
they came with.
pyotr filipivich
2004-08-20 00:34:10 UTC
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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what "SaPeIsMa"
Post by SaPeIsMa
Miniaturisation of electronics was required because the US did NOT have the
rocket payload capacity that the Soviet did.
Which the Soviets had developed because they couldn't get a "reentry
vehicle" as small as the Americans could. We built small warheads to go on
ICBMS, so we didn't need the "throw weight" which could put a smaller
package in to low orbit.
There was a lot of "catch up" in the early sixties, as we tried to
scale up the rockets to be able to launch anything into orbit.
Post by SaPeIsMa
That is why NASA funded a lot of research into smaller, lighter, more
compact electronics.
And that, bub, led to modern IC circuitry
Telemetric monitoring led DIRECTLY to modern medical technology.
The technical push to create ARPANET led to the comunication infrastructure
that triggered the evolution of the Internet.
That was Defense Department research. To build a communication network
which could route around "battle damage" automatically.
Post by SaPeIsMa
Look up "gopher" as just one example.
There is all kinds of OTHER technological developments that can be traced
back DIRECTLY to the space race
Modern metalurgy and graphite technology are two other areas that were
developped because of the space race and trying to get up ahead of the
Soviets.
Not to mention the ballpoint pen which would write in zero G.
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pyotr filipivich
We didn't have these sorts of problems when I was a boy,
back when snakes wore shoes and dirt was $2 a pound,
if you could find it. We had to make our own from rocks!
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